Topic: Are the November Nine really "Unknowns"?

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So we are about a month past the selection of the November Nine. Being wired into the poker media underground, I decided to remain completely inactive regarding the November WSOP final table and see what came to me. Until the last couple of days, the sum total was nearly nothing. Now we really shouldn't expect a four month blitz of news and interviews; I mean the Super Bowl and the World Cup combined can barely muster a month of meaningless news bytes. But many in the poker world feel the silence has been deafening.

Every player seems to have had a flurry of local newspapers, radio and television interviews; and slowly the various poker websites have begun their obligatory November Nine player pieces. We also expect ESPN to begin to amp up the noise once the early days of the main event begin showing in September.

But let's talk about the one simmering topic that has been making the rounds:

    "The November Nine is going to be a flop because it is a table of nobodies."

First, the obvious---yes everyone involved was hoping that one or even two big names or at least recognizable names would make the final table. There were audible expletives muttered as first Hellmuth, then Matusow went out on Day Six and then the last hope, Tiffany Michele, went down in a blaze of sponsorship greed and harassment on Day Seven.

But let me pose a question and then direct you to some discussion on this whole idea of "The Unknown Nine". Outside of insiders in the poker world, the last four final tables have basically had one "known": Lee Watkinson (2007), Allen Cunningham (2006), Mike Matusow (2005), Dan Harrington (2004). Today, however, most of us "know" not just: Jerry Yang, Jamie Gold, Joe Hachem and Greg Raymer, but also Hevad Khan, Paul Wasicka, Steve Dannenmann, Raymond Rahme, Michael Binger, David Williams and perhaps a few more final tablists. So the question is:

    "Are these nine players really unknowns?"

Re: Are the November Nine really "Unknowns"?

Actually this discussion began when I received an email from noted poker author and writer, Michael Craig. In his capacity of chief writer and all around scholar for the folks at Full Tilt, Michael is interviewing the three "Tilt Sponsored" final table players. He has suggested in a letter to Jeffery Pollack that the November Nine may, in fact, be a more talented group than any of the recent (2004-2007) final table. I quote from Michael's letter below, this will appear in his blog in the next several days and I also would point you to the pieces he is doing on those three Tilt final table players.

Here is some of the content of Michael letter:

Something occurred to me, which has probably occurred to you, but I wanted to clue you in if it hadn't. Or I wanted to emphasize it if you already noticed it.

It's this: I am seeing indications that the quality of players at the final table is higher than in the past few years. I'm basing this just on talking with three players (and on their conversations about the other players) but it's clear to me that these otherwise-unheralded players are overall much more experienced and battle-tested than the collective final tables of 2005, 2006, and 2007. (We could have a discussion about whether this is, either subjectively or objectively, true but I strongly believe it based on the three players I spoke with and their descriptions of [most of] the other six.)

This could have several consequences:

(1) Most important: everything that suggests the World Championship is contested in the end by highly skilled players is great for the World Series and great for poker. The world at large can say, "obviously these guys aren't as good as _________." (_________ being Phil Ivey or Patrik Antonius or Chris Ferguson or Phil Hellmuth or whoever the conception of the names is at the top of the pyramid.) But it's a given that the MOST FAMOUS great players couldn't possibly monopolize the final table of a competition so big. The last few years, however, have produced such a wide range of players - and enough purely recreational players - that a lot of people have already discounted the Main Event as a real "world championship barometer." Although there is great appeal in Everyman winning (Jamie Gold, Jerry Yang) or finishing runner-up (Steve Dannenman), a final table composed mostly of highly skilled - even though not well-known - players will restore some credibility to the event. With a huge range of playing skill and experience, the Main Event has become more like the Running of the Bulls and less like the Boston Marathon. And this year's final table clearly isn't devoid of Everyman characters. But I hope you can help everyone reach the conclusion, based on the overall composition of these players, that Skill Does Matter.

(2) Next most important: you're going to get better quality play from the final table. I would defend the proposition to my last breath that the actual quality of final table play has not been especially high the last few years. There have been some great hands and some great moments, of course, but people who really know poker would agree with me that, especially in 2007, the game was played in a manner to reduce the level of skill. I don't think - though I could be entirely wrong - that this final table is NOT, like last year, going to see players with 75-100 big blinds regularly reraising with medium strength hands and getting all their chips in with mediocre hands after the flop. There will be some audacious plays - and I know those are the ones that play best on TV and among casual fans - but there will also be plays that encourage people to Understand Poker Better. (e.g., the Big Read, the Big Laydown, strategies dictated by table position and stack size.) I'm not talking about boring technical things but simply the next level of poker understanding. I hope this becomes an experience that INCREASES the appreciation by the audience of poker skill and strategy, and that ESPN moves with this, taking a step forward in familiarizing viewers with the skills of the competitors.

(3) The final table is not hurt by the absence of a "name." Last year, Lee Watkinson made the final table. In 2006, Alan Cunningham made it. In 2005, it was Mike Matusow. In 2004, it was Dan Harrington. I think among people who don't know anything about the players, they might think 2008 is a step backward, as if having one well-known professional assured everyone that it really was a championship but a field of "nobodies" means it's just an exhibition of unknowns. I hope if there is a perception like this that you emphasize the collective skill and playing experience of these players, because I think the product will prove me right, that this will be the best final table of the "internet age."

I don't have any particular motivation for writing this. I'll probably post these observations as a blog over the next few days, but there was no concrete reason for me directing this to you. Promoting these guys isn't really part of my job at Full Tilt. I don't get anything based on how these players do or how they are perceived or how much publicity Full Tilt gets. In fact, it's not even my claim that "the Full Tilt players are the most skilled" - it's just that I learned about the depth of their skills and experience and, just as significant, their observations about the depth of skills and experience of most of the other final table players. I simply want to see you succeed and see this November experiment succeed and see THE WORLD SERIES OF POKER succeed. I believe this final table gives you ways of getting there, but not in ways that might be immediately obvious, like if Mike Matusow and Phil Hellmuth had made the final table.

Re: Are the November Nine really "Unknowns"?

Two conversations going on here, at least, two so far:

1) admin: the "Nine" may not be as "unknown" as everyone thinks
2) Craig: the "Nine" are better players as a whole than in past years

Re: Are the November Nine really "Unknowns"?

For the sake of the game I wish a name had made the final table but no one gets through a field like this on luck alone. These guys have got to be players.

Re: Are the November Nine really "Unknowns"?

Sorry to say that when the poker writers don't know the players they are unknowns. As a fan I have been reading a bit on each of them and they are not fish or amateurs by any means but unknown they are.

Re: Are the November Nine really "Unknowns"?

They are indeed unknown to the fans of poker.

Re: Are the November Nine really "Unknowns"?

Unknown, Unrecognized, Unadvertised, Unbelievable.